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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: non dead post

It IS pretty ridiculous how much stuff GWB gets blamed for. I mean, the ONLY things I can think of are:

Invading another country based on completely false pretenses resultng in the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives and global hatred for the U.S. on an unprecedented scale...
[Not completely, they broke all the UN resolutions and that evil scumbag Sadam, is ungratefully DEAD and the "Globe" IS full of evil jealous scumbags that hate us and our true freedoms]

...approval of torture and secret torture sites in foreign nations and the holding of hundreds of people in prison detention camps without charging them with any crime whatsoever... [define our "torture" vs Saddams]

...taking a national surplus and turning it into the largest deficit, in the trillions and still counting, in the nation's history, with $6 Billion A MONTH going into a complete failure of a war that has no exit strategy...
[I agree...except the exit strategy should include overwhelming victory]

...cutting veterans benefits EVERY YEAR he's been in office and the disgraceful failure to pay attention to the roach and rat infested Walter Reed Army medical hospital which houses many of the same veterans he purports to "care" so much about...
[yeah, and old people have to eat cat food...rhetoric.]

...record numbers of "signing statements" that evoke shady "executive privilege" to make a runaround against any possible override of a veto, allowing for, among other things the illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens...
[I say wiretap the hell out of the hate-america type "citizens"]

...making his one and only veto to date a slap-down of stem cell research on embryos that would be destroyed anyway, and could potentially provide for scientific breakthroughs on some of the worst diseases plaguing living, walking, breathing human beings...
[to hell with Big Brother funding it -why don't YOU fund it -in the private sector]

...a complete gutting of the Clean Air Act, and orderng of the EPA to claim it does not have the authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions...
[Al Gore is a big hipocrite-like most politicians, liar and political hack] almost daily butchering of the English language that includes such gems as "The children is our future".
[?...anyway, english is the national language-see attached file]

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Apr 19, 2007 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: non dead post

Well, at least you took on my points one by one, rather than issuing a non-sensical right-wing rant. I respect that, even if I disagree with much of what you said:

i.e. If you think it's OK to invade other countries just b/c they're run by evil scums like Saddam (and yeah, he WAS scum, no doubt...then why aren't we invading North Korea, Sudan, China, half of Africa, and Cuba for that matter?)

The situation at Walter Reed is not "rhetoric" cannot say you care about veterans on the one hand and then cut their benefits ever year, ask them to go and fight and die for your illegal war, and then let them live like bums on skid row whe they get home.

You talk a lot about Big Brother--when it suits YOUR political view. I don't want a Big Brother goverment either, and just b/c you assume that every illegal wire tap is automatically on a "terrorist scum" doesn't make it so. Illegal wiretapping of US citizens is ust that--illegal. It is common practice in the countries you purport to hate--like the old soviet Russia and East Germany, to spy on their own citizens.

The idiots that brought us this war laughed at the general who said we would need 300,000 troops to d the job right. Then they fired him. Turns out he was right. You want total victory? That's the cost. And btw, it would necessitate a draft at this point. Would you wllingly send your kids over there to fight for a bunch of people who don't want you there to begin with and have absolutely no history or sense of what Democracy is? Not me. I don't think the life of ONE US soldier is worth dyng over for the Iraqis. They had a dictator for a leader? Hey, that sucks for them. Half the world has that situation, and we're not out saving them. Hmmmmm, wonder why? Oh, let me take a guess: Those other countries aren't sittng on a butt-pile if oil.

Al Gore is an ass. You assume I like him b/c you have me labelled as a liberal lefty so you have me all figured out. Al Gore and Gore alone is responsble for losing the election in 2000. If he had simply won his home state of TN. (and even the most pathetic candidates in history, from Dukakis to Mondale were able to win their home states) then no one would have been crying about Florida b/c it wold not have mattered. The C02 issue is actually a state's right issue--i.e. states like VT and CA want the right to set their own emissions standards and they shold have that right but the spineless EPA, under GW's orders, snivels that it can't regulate Co2 and thus give states the authority--again, if you really are against "Big Brother", then why are you siding so often with what under GW has become one of the worst examples of Big Brother Govt. in the history of the world?

The torture issue has nothing to do with is simply un-American to torture people and especially to hold them w/out charges fr years. AGAIN, that is the allmark of Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, and so many of those totalitarian nations yo say you hate (and should).

America is the greatest country in the history of civilization. Period. I don't "hate America" as you probably think I do. I hate an incompetent, arrogant administration that stomps all over the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and sheer human decency to solidify its hold on its own sense of power and hubris. That is NOT what America is supposed to be about.

I welcome these types of debates, btw, b/c I also believe in that most American of values--FREE if you want to have a thoughtful exchange of ideas, I truly respect that...but when I get pissy little responses from the likes of Edsel who just want to have their point of view accepted without backing it up, and belittling others without engaging in the difficult job of listening to another's viewpoint, I come ou swinging.

Clearly, the fact that you and I love the Grateful Dead means we can't really be all that different.

and I may not agree with what you say, but as a proud member of the American left, I will always defend your right to say it.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Apr 19, 2007 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: non dead post

#1 The retard did not steal the election, we voted for him twice over the democrat candidate. Think about that for a moment... no really.

#3 Radioation of various frequencies has been bombarding us for billions of years. Most plants and animals need various forms for survival (heat, light, etc).

#4 George Bush is directly responsible for solar flares, islamic extremism, aquatic mammal sonar pollution and Martian global warming.

#5 Global warming may lower atlantic hurricane activity with upper level wind sheer. Please keep your vehicles running in your driveway and sleep with all the lights on so our homeowner's insurance premiums go down some more. There plenty of zoo's for the polar bears and the rest of the world's agricultural and environmental losses will benefit us in the long run.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 19, 2007 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: non dead post

LOL!!!! and please exercise & jog & bicycle....your contributing to global warming (+them damn cows!)